Blog Post 21
I went outside intending to follow up on a few loose ends from previous conversations. I certainly didn't expect the discussion to end where it did.
The evening actually began with something much simpler.
I asked whether they wanted to be filmed.
Based on past interactions, I had always assumed the answer would be no, so I thought I’d check again. On a couple of occasions I'd reached for a camera only to have whatever I was observing abruptly disappear. I had also attempted to film the large black triangle I wrote about previously, without success. At the time I suspected I was being intentionally blocked. Later, however, I came to understand that the triangle may not have been physically present at all, but instead some sort of projection experienced directly within my consciousness.
How that would work, I have absolutely no idea. That's a subject for another day.
Because of those earlier experiences, I made it clear that I would not attempt to film them unless expressly invited to do so. If honesty and mutual respect were important, then I felt that needed to go both ways.
That thought led me briefly down another path. And then things started to really pick up. I realised a lot of ships were coming by.
Okay, if deception is genuinely a concern, then how should I view the occasions when samples were taken from me without permission? Does that count as deception?
Perhaps.
On the other hand, in both cases I was later made aware that the events had occurred. It wasn't concealed forever. Someone, or something, ensured that I eventually knew and when I asked, they confirmed it.
Maybe there is a distinction there that I don't fully understand. Either way, it isn't something that troubles me greatly. I just wish they had simply asked.
But back to the present.
When I asked about the possibility of filming, the response felt divided. Some appeared open to the idea, while others clearly were not. The overall impression was that the opposing side had the numbers. The final answer was no.
No filming.
It's a little disappointing, but not enough to jeopardise a relationship that has developed over time. If the answer is no, then no it is.
What I found more interesting was the apparent difference of opinion. We tend to imagine these groups as operating with perfect unanimity, yet the impression I received was that viewpoints can vary. Perhaps that's only natural.
With that topic closed, I returned to something I'd asked about before: an alleged Nazi breakaway civilisation. I had recently heard it discussed on a prominent podcast and this sparked my interest again.
It's one of those subjects that sits right on the boundary between history, rumour, testimony and mythology. Depending on who you ask, it ranges from absurd fantasy to hidden history. Separating fact from fiction is no easy task.
I asked whether such a group had ever been based in Antarctica.
The answer appeared to be yes.
It certainly wasn't a simple no. What made the response interesting was that it didn't feel straight forward. The impression carried a sense of additional context that I wasn't quite able to grasp. There was some history to it.
So I followed up.
Are they still there?
Again, the response seemed layered rather than straightforward. The impression wasn't that they remain in any significant capacity. Instead, it felt more like they are largely gone. Perhaps some elements remain. Perhaps remnants of something that once existed.
More questions for another time.
The discussion then shifted toward another location frequently mentioned in alternative-history circles.
Ceres.
Tony Rodrigues has written extensively about his experiences there with German factions operating beyond Earth. He has provided a remarkably detailed account of his time there. He also says that various memories from Earth have later been verified through independent investigation and personal research.
So I asked:
Were they on Ceres?
Once again, the answer wasn't straightforward. It felt the same as before. I didn't receive the sense of a clear "no." Instead, the impression was more nuanced. Perhaps they had been present at one time, but their presence was limited now or waning. That was the feeling and it felt like verification of Tony’s experiences. They were there.
And then the conversation took a completely unexpected turn.
I mentioned Tony’s claims regarding the so-called "20 and Back" program that he was involved in. This got them interested.
For readers unfamiliar with the concept, the claim is that certain individuals have their consciousness taken into secret programs where they serve for approximately twenty years before being returned to their original body, original point in time. According to the accounts, memories are suppressed and the individual resumes normal life with no conscious awareness of what occurred.
Different versions of the story exist, but they all follow a similar pattern. Twenty years of service is wiped from their memory, only to return in dribs and drabs much later.
Some describe forced participation and exploitation. Others describe voluntary involvement. Some claim service in military organisations, while others describe roles in exploration, research or other activities.
It is, without question, an extraordinary claim. So of course I wanted to ask.
Is there any truth to it?
The response I received was yes. From a few ships. It was clear. That immediately caught my attention, so I asked another question.
Is it common?
Again, the answer was yes. This was a lot more emphatic than before. A lot of ships were coming by. Sometimes 3 or 4 in the sky at once. A few really big ships also.
Has it happened often?
Once more: Yes. Now we were getting somewhere. The answers were clear now. Nazis? Yes. Secret Space Program? Yes. Twenty and back? Yes. Common? Yes.
This was pretty mind-blowing.
At that point I realised the conversation had drifted a very long way from where it began. I had stepped outside intending to ask about filming. Now I found myself discussing a lot more.
Over the course of the interaction, I counted somewhere around 30 ships participating. Easily 30.
Needless to say, I have a lot more questions. Stand by.
